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Toronto G-20 edit

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The WP:FEED backlog

Hello, I see you made a request at WP:FEED a long time ago, but have continued to be active on Wikipedia and made good edits to the encyclopedia. Since you have posted on WP:FEED in the past, I would like to suggest that if you want please try and help out at the page, as we have a massive backlog. It'd be really great if you provided some advice to other, new users on their articles.

To do this, you'll just need to take a look at their article, which they'll post the link to, and maybe see what perhaps can be improved, like adding sections, references or links, much like you would do with any other article, except you are giving feedback rather than making actual edits. After getting some idea of what needs to be improved, you just need to tell them briefly underneath. It's really simple but incredibly useful to new users and their articles, and helps to overall increase the quality of these new articles.

I hope you will at least consider, thanks. Please send me a message if you have any further questions. Thanks a lot! Chevymontecarlo 13:44, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

the filioque

Please come and help on the filioque article as there needs to be a balanced consensus on the article content. Thanks LoveMonkey (talk) 03:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. LoveMonkey (talk) 01:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

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	For your awesome articles, most recently December 2 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics). Interesting, filling a need, and perfectly referenced - keep up the good work! :) Ironholds (talk) 00:45, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Help with translation from Greek to English

Hello. Πρόσεξα ότι γνωρίζεις πολύ καλά ελληνικά. Θα ήθελα τη βοήθεια σου. Έχω μεταφράσει δύο λήμματα από την ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια στην αγγλική. Δυστυχώς, υπάρχουν κάποια λάθη, κυρίως συνταχτικά. Δεν έχω μεγάλη ευφράδεια στην αγγλική. Θα ήθελα να τα διαβάσεις και να κάνεις τις απαραίτητες διορθώσεις, αν μπορείς. Αν δεν ενδιαφέρεσαι, απολογούμαι για την ενόχληση. Xaris333 (talk) 13:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Ευχαριστως, ναι. Στειλετε μου το λινκ παρακαλω, και θα το κοιταξω προσεκτικα, και σας ευχαριστω πολυ. (Προσπαθουμαι οτι μπορουμαι εδω στι Δυση να κρατησουμε την Ελληνο-Ορθοδοξη ταυτοτητα μας, κυριοτερα για την καινουργια γεναια, και νομιζω οτι το Wikipedia ειναι σπουδαιο για αυτο). Γεια σας, ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 21:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Thx! Nea Salamis Famagusta FC and Nea Salamis Famagusta Xaris333 (talk) 12:00, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Eastern Liturgical Feasts being removed

For articles for: December 2nd December 3rd December 6th December 8th December 10th December 11th December 12th December 13th December 14th December 15th December 24th December 26th December 27th December 28th December 29th December 30th December 31st

The link to the Eastern Orthodox liturgics is not present. I do not know if they never were added, or if they were removed by a user. I do not know if this has been done to other months, but I only checked this month. Just letting you know that it will need to be put in again, but I do not have the time to do so and I don't really know how. I will post also to the Eastern Orthodox page about this.75.73.114.111 (talk) 06:05, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I added links for all the days in December that were missing. (They had never been added in the first place, because those Orthodox Calendar Day articles had not yet been created). I have not checked the other 11 months to see if they all have links to the Orthodox Liturgical Calendar days. Thanks, ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 17:35, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs

I noticed you reverted my edits on the Eastern Orthodox category and I was curious why? My knowledge of the area may not be as much as I'd like it to be but I was under the impression that Eastern Orthodox included Greek Orthodoxy. Which is why I thought it was rather pointless to have a category for Greek Orthodox Patriarchs and Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs also. Mugsalot (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

You did not leave any explanation or justification for your edits at all, and it seemed that the categories were valid categories in and of themselves. However in response to your comment above, I see that in order to avoid duplication, it might be best either to include "Category:Greek Orthodox Patriarchs of Jerusalem" as a sub-category of "Category:Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs of Jerusalem", or else simply to request deletion of "Category:Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs of Jerusalem". Deletion seems like the best path, since having one subcategory is unnecessary, as there are no other "Eastern Orthodox" Patriarchs or Jerusalem other than the "Greek Orthodox" (i.e. the Armenian Patriarch is "Oriental Orthodox"). Thanks for the clarification. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I would have put a deletion request on the category but I didn't realise there was a different way of deleting categories and I couldn't find the template. So, would I be right to assume that I can revert your edits and leave it empty? Mugsalot (talk) 14:32, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 14:35, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding the Icon of Pope Miltiades

Hi, You have reverted my edits to December 10 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics) and April 10 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics). The icon in this picture is of Saint Julius the Veteran (See File:IuliusVeteranul.jpg; cf. Julius the Veteran and May 27 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics)) Unless you have a Orthodox icon of Pope Miltiades, please restore my edits. I have nominated the picture for deletion at commons. So if it gets thru, this image will be redirected to the one that I have replaced. --Jayarathina (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I now see that the original icon is misnamed. Sorry for the confusion and thanks. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 14:26, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Response to your message

My edits are not vandalism, but when I didn't comprove the proof of Roman Catholic recognizment of some saint, I let him inside saint category. There is no doubt. In German saints, for instance, only one is not Roman Catholic saint, and I did it. There is no doubt about this matter!

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Photios Korytsas

Thank you for your additions in Photios. Also notice that all additions should have an inline reference so the article can pass the wp:dyk nomination.Alexikoua (talk) 07:59, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again. I see you are interested in various religious personalities, so you might be also interested in expanding Dionysios Mantoukas or Ioakeim Martianos, they are stubs right now.Alexikoua (talk) 16:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for the suggestion. I will try to look into it. Salut. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Elder Paisios of Mount Athos

I thank you for your edits which have been quite constructive.

I do question, however, the category "20th-century Eastern Orthodox clergy" as Saint Paisios wasn't ordained that I'm aware of, and the existing category "Eastern Orthodox monks" seems to me to be sufficient.

Also, I had been thinking of renaming the article to "Saint Paisios of Mount Athos" and I'd like tour opinion.

Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 14:40, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes indeed, good point. I had the same puzzling question about ordination... I searched and noticed a few pages online in Greek that referred to him as "ιερομοναχος παισιος" ("Hieromonk Paisios"); but I could not find any confirmation of this in English or in more mainstream sources. I have his biography (book), and will consult that. Until then I agree it may be best to remove the category.

As for the article title, renaming it with 'Saint' sounds appropriate; but I am not sure which format is best to use here on Wikipedia; for instance, his fellow Athonite Elder Porphyrios (Bairaktaris) of Kafsokalivia is named that way, without 'Saint', and with the last name in brackets, as is appropriate for Orthodox monastics. Other 20th century Saints such as Silouan the Athonite do not use 'Saint' either. I think a good option might be "Paisios (Eznepidis) of Mount Athos", which gives a better identification. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I was introduced to him in 1978 (but didn't actually converse with him) and I don't recall his being a priest. Also the icon you added (thanks!) shows St. Porphyrios as a priest, but not St. Paisios.

As for renaming, perhaps both St. Porphyrios' and St. Paisios' articles should be renamed. There's great inconsistency in Wikipedia on how saints' articles are titled, and I don't see any reason to not rename it, but I don't have a strong opinion, either. (Of course, he could have been a deacon, I suppose, but that's improbable.)

Methinks that "Schemamonk" shouldn't be used both because it's peculiar to the Russian Church and also because it's meaningless to most readers.

Also, "Ὃσιος" translates to "Saint" not "Venerable" (it's a common mistranslation, but it's wrong; there are two words in Greek that translate to "holy" or "saint").

Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 14:43, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for this reply. Please feel free to make the corrections when you can. Regarding "Schemamonk", he was in fact a Great Schema monk, so perhaps it could be renamed like that to show his rank, "Great Schema Monk"; i.e the term is linked to the article explaining it. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 15:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your further edits. As for the great schema, well, St. Silouan was in the great schema, as was St. Nicodemus the Hagiorite, and presumably was St. Porphyrios, and were many other monastics whose articles don't style them as such specifically. In Greek, the term isn't used as a title, and I'm quite sure only Russians use it as such.

Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 18:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Yet this was the actual level of his monastic rank, and as such should definitely be included in the template. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 18:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, do you want to edit the dozens, perhaps hundreds, of articles that don't explicitly mention the great schema? How about all the monastics who lived before there was a little schema? And do you want to mention rassophores explicitly?

Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 22:30, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If a Saint's monastic rank is a fact and it is known, as it is in Elder Paisios' case for an example, then there is no reason it should be left out and not be included. The other cases you list could easily mention the rank as it relates to them as well, if it is known and they probably should. It is a statement of the obvious and inclusion makes it more complete. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 00:04, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

I very much disagree with you but I'm not changing it lest I start an editing war or cause hard feelings or whatnot.

Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 16:20, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Very well since the field in the infobox is named 'title' and not 'rank', and, there are icons now where he is referred to - together with Saint Porphyrios and Elder Iakovos - as "The New Acetics" -- (see: ΑΓΙΟΙ ΤΡΕΙΣ ΓΕΡΟΝΤΕΣ, ΟΙ ΝΕΟΙ ΑΣΚΗΤΕΣ; Η τριάς των οσίων νέων ασκητών), I submit that the 'title' field better be changed to 'The New Ascetic' .

PS, Hoping this interests you, at the Holy Cross Monastery (Wayne, West Virginia), "On Monday night, after Matins for the Synaxis of St. John the Baptist, His Grace Bishop George tonsured the Rassaphore Monk Jason to the Small Schema, giving him the new name Monk Paisios in honor of the newly-glorified St. Paisios the Athonite." (Note the non-use of "schema-bishop".) Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 16:20, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank-you very interesting. (In regards to your Bishop comment, it is clear that he would not be called this in everyday parlance; but strictly speaking that would be his rank). ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 00:42, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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About one type of links on "Eastern Orthodox liturgics" calendar pages

Dear ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888, there is many links on many pages like this: http://days.pravoslavie.ru/en/Days/20140420.htm All they steers one to "404" page. My poor English and my ignorance in bot's matter not allows me to write bot to change in ALL links "days.pravoslavie.ru/en/Days" section on this: "orthochristian.com/calendar". If You can do it - do it please! And we all can saw not "404" but real actual page: http://orthochristian.com/calendar/20160420.html Cordially, Александр Васильев (talk) 09:10, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank-you it is a good idea. Their new site is here, for example: http://orthochristian.com/calendar/20151004.html . However I also do not know how to wite a "bot" either. Over time I can go back and manually update the links but that would take a long time. Maybe someone else reading this can help? Appreciate the suggestion. Best, ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 12:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

If I could know English good! :( 1) It can eat off a great lot of time if You'll work manually! Maybe You can write a request for bot to some Admins of en-Wiki? 2) Please actualize Your example of link: http://orthochristian.com/calendar/20161004.html instead http://orthochristian.com/calendar/20151004.html ;) Александр Васильев (talk) 20:12, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

I wrote a message to Soupforone in his User talk. Hope he can help us. Александр Васильев (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Greetings Александр Васильев! I'm not sure how to code the bots, but I could fix the urls manually. This could take forever, though. Also, is the correct suffix "htm" as with pravoslavie or "html" as with orthochristian? Cheers-- Soupforone (talk) 14:48, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Cheers, Soupforone! Thank You for answer! The correct suffix is "html", like here: http://orthochristian.com/calendar/20160420.html (When I try "htm" I see "404"). Александр Васильев (talk) 18:57, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I just had a look. There are at least several hundred of the urls, but it seems feasible. Cheers-- Soupforone (talk) 03:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

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Some baklava for you!

May your dedication to Eastern Orthodox content in Wikipedia help many souls; and may the Lord grant you the unpriceable reward in the end. I am currently translating it to Portuguese Wikipedia. Christos gennatai! Leefeni de Karik (talk) 19:03, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Haha many kind thanks! :) Glory be to the Lord for all things. Yes indeed - Christ is Born! Let us Glorify Him! Salut mon ami. All the best with the Portuguese translation! ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 04:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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Great, thanks! I will add a footnote / reference in the article. ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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Dear Colleague, did You found somwhhere the info (maybe You have some links?) about days of commemoretion of two newly glorificated by The Ecumenical Patriarchate saints: Ieronymos of Simenopetra and Sophrony of Essex? - Cordially Александр Васильев (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, yes sir, here are the links below:

• For Venerable Archimandrite Sophrony (Sakharov) of Essex (1993), see: July 11 / June 28;
• For Venerable Elder Ieronymos of Simonopetra (1957), see: January 7 / December 25;

• Elder Sophrony officially canonized together with Elder Ieronymos of Simenopetra. Orthodox Christianity. Istanbul, November 28, 2019.
• ELDER SOPHRONY TO BE CONSIDERED FOR CANONIZATION. Orthodox Christianity. Mt. Athos, October 22, 2019. Updated October 28, 2019.
• Here is the official statement from the Ecumenical Patriarchate on November 27, 2019:

• (in Greek) "Εἰδικώτερον, ἡ Ἁγία καί Ἱερά Σύνοδος, ἀποδεχθεῖσα εἰσήγησιν τῆς Κανονικῆς Ἐπιτροπῆς ἀνέγραψεν εἰς τό Ἁγιολόγιον τῆς Ὀρθοδόξου Ἐκκλησίας τούς ἐγνωσμένης ὁσιακῆς βιοτῆς καί πολιτείας Ἱερομόναχον Ἱερώνυμον Σιμωνοπετρίτην, Καθηγούμενον χρηματίσαντα τῆς ἐν Ἁγίῳ Ὄρει Ἱερᾶς Βασιλικῆς, Πατριαρχικῆς καί Σταυροπηγιακῆς Μονῆς Σίμωνος Πέτρας, καί ἀκολούθως Οἰκονόμον καί Πνευματικόν τοῦ Μετοχίου Ἀναλήψεως Βύρωνος Ἀττικῆς, καί Ἀρχιμανδρίτην Σωφρόνιον Σαχάρωφ, Καθηγούμενον χρηματίσαντα καί κτίτορα τῆς ἐν Ἔσσεξ Ἀγγλίας Ἱερᾶς Πατριαρχικῆς καί Σταυροπηγιακῆς Μονῆς Τιμίου Προδρόμου."
• (in Greek) Ανακοινωθέν πρώτης ημέρας εργασιών της Αγίας και Ιεράς Συνόδου για το μήνα Νοέμβριο. Οἰκουμενικόν Πατριαρχεῖον. Τετάρτην, 27ην τ. μ. Νοεμβρίου 2019.

ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 12:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Александр Васильев (talk) 14:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Formatting: Wiki vs HTML

Dear colleague, it seems that Your chahges duribg last monthh or more conflict with Wiki-rules. I'm not Wiki pro, but I see few undos made by User:Ira Leviton with comment: "Replaced html coding with wikicoding". For example see this:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=April_1_(Eastern_Orthodox_liturgics)&curid=1644565&diff=962048711&oldid=957425877
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=April_2_(Eastern_Orthodox_liturgics)&curid=1644602&diff=962049857&oldid=957653145
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=April_3_(Eastern_Orthodox_liturgics)&curid=1644622&diff=962051742&oldid=959246506
• https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=April_2_(Eastern_Orthodox_liturgics)&curid=1644602&diff=962052018&oldid=962049857

Maybe he's right? See Yourself. -- Friendly, Александр Васильев (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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Pisarz12345 need to be banned?

Dear colleague, I already requested and prevented and alerted him, in English and in Russian, but he continues to adding of not-venerated persons. My English is so poor, and I cannot write to Admins intelligible. I hope You can do it! And another point. There is many precedents in "Eastern Orthodox liturgics" when added a not-venerated persons. Often this addings have links to the https://orthochristian.com/calendar/ , specific in "Another commemorations". This ones provokes some users Like Pisarz12345 to going this way. Now I decided to start deleting such points of not-venerated persons if I meet such points during my work in Wiki. Александр Васильев (talk) 11:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Александ. Yes I agree that this matter with User:Pisarz12345 needs to be flagged to the Admins now. He has been told both by yourself and by me not to add un-venerated persons to the lists of Eastern Orthodox Saints, yet he blatantly continues to do so. With his edits, he continues to add un-venerated persons to the lists, without producing even one valid reference or footnote to a valid Orthodox Church source (or Synaxarion); and the link that he does provide, to the encyclopedic site "Drevo" do not count as a valid source in this case. Incidentally, I have noticed that User:Pisarz12345 has already been BLOCKED INDEFINITELY on the POLISH WIKIPEDIA (see here), so there is already a pre-existing pattern of disruptive behaviour on his part. If you can please initiate the action here on Wikipedia with the Admins, I will certainly participate and provide my feedback as well. Let me know if you can begin the process with Admin... ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888 (talk) 12:22, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear ΙΣΧΣΝΙΚΑ-888, user Pisarz12345 still continue vandalism and war of editings. Your request on my talk page was rejected by Administration: "If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the {{admin help}} template, or contact the responding user(s) directly on their own user talk page." I don't exactly understood this. I don't know when one can get a list of Admins... I hope You can proceed to try and write to some of Admins personal. - Александр Васильев (talk) 14:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

I use reliable sources like Drevo, Other commemorations paragraph is for not canonized but venerated persons, like: Hieromonk Arsenius of Valaam Monastery (1853), Schemamonk Theodore of Svir (1822) or orthers. Secondly Potitus of Gargara you are insinuating is not venerated is in the official menologium of ROC, like Patricius of Vladimir but you are too lazy to check the sources I linked. Pisarz12345 (talk) 14:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

1) "Drevo" in which I am an old and active user, is not ORIGINAL source. If You want to translate some information from "Drevo" here, You'll not to be so lazy and refer to original sources from "Использованные материалы"! It'll be correct. 2) Here in Wiki is a list of CACONIZED saints, NOT a list of not venerated OFICIALLY by the Orthodox Church! Don't enter a confusion here. 3) STOP THE WAR OF EDITING! You CAN"T undoing the undo's of rest user WITHOUT CONSENSUS!

P. S. Ко всему прочему, думаю, Вы прекрасно понимаете по-русски и отдаёте себе отчёт в том, что вломились в этот раздел как слон в посудную лавку. Но Вы здесь не один! Люди годами собирают здесь информацию не для того, чтобы Вы перевернули всё с ног на голову! - Александр Васильев (talk) 16:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

You should firstly check your verified sources, nextly you should know that Latin Saints of Roman Patriarchate is not a official source, and that the site was created by defrocked priest.

Secondly other commemorations paragraph is for not canonized but venerated persons, like: Hieromonk Arsenius of Valaam Monastery (1853), Schemamonk Theodore of Svir (1822) or orthers.

Last, the orthodox calendar is a list of canonized saints not CACONIZED saints. Pisarz12345 (talk) 18:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Your proposal for a new article Tabular Byzantine calendar

Hi there, can we get this moving ahead of Pope Francis and Ecumenical Patriarch visiting Izmir in late May and possibly issuing a joint announcement? Here's a first draft:

The Tabular Byzantine calendar is the method of calculating the date of Easter which was adopted in Rome in the sixth century from the calendar of the Eastern Orthodox Church. As time went on, errors in its construction became more and more apparent. In the eighth century, in his book Ecclesiastical History of England (Book 3, chapter 27), Bede falsified the date of the solar eclipse which occurred at 3 PM on 1 May 664 to hide this, stating "In the same year of our Lord 664, there happened an eclipse of the sun, on the third day of May, about the tenth hour of the day."

In addition to its error of 1 day in 128 years as regards the sun the Julian calendar had an error of 1 day in 308 years as regards the moon in the same direction - thus by 1582 the actual new moons were falling three days earlier than their tabulated dates. Pope Gregory XIII wanted to reform the calendar, which he did by decreeing that most centennial years would not be leap years. He also brought the tabular equinox back to 21 March by omitting the ten days 5 to 14 October 1582. He decided that Easter would continue to fall between 22 March and 25 April in his new calendar, which posed a problem - the First Council of Arles in AD 314 had decreed that Easter would be observed by all on the same day, so it was not open to him to change it unilaterally. Also the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325 had decreed that the Easter full moon must not fall before the equinox and the tables were constructed to agree as nearly as possible with the Jewish calendar - in fact after they were constructed in the third century they were declared to be a more accurate version of the Jewish calendar than the one the Jews themselves were using. Gregory got round that by lying - claiming that the Council had decreed that Easter would be the Sunday after the first full moon after the equinox. The result was that instead of falling during the Passover Easter began to fall more and more frequently within the last Jewish month. This could not be more unfortunate, because the full moon of that month is marked by the rumbustious festival of Purim, which could not be less appropriate for the solemnities of Holy Week. Hence the surreal situation in Stamford Hill on Palm Sunday, 24 March 2024, when a small Muslim boy, watching the Purim festivities, asked his mother "Is it Easter?" to which she replied "No. Easter is Jesus Christ. It is completely different."

Gregory moved the new moons back three days, to make them agree with the real new moons. To keep them in agreement, he instituted the "lunar correction", whereby they are shifted back 1 day 8 times in 2500 years. The next 8 adjustments will occur on 1 March of the years 2100, 2400, 2700, 3000, 3300, 3600, 3900 and 4300. While Gregory decreed that the "solar correction" (the omission of a centennial leap day) occur 3 times in 400 years, this only reduces the backward movement of the equinox to 1 day in 3323 years. Orthodox churches instead apply the correction 7 times in 900 years, keeping the calendar correct to one day in 44,000 years. In the Exigian calendar the rule is that a centennial year is only a leap year if it gives remainder 200 or 700 when divided by 900. The first centennial leap year was 1600 and the second 2000. This arrangement means that when the calendar is projected beyond the Christian era the rule is the same - thus the first two centennial leap years were -200 (201 BC) and -700 (701 BC). It also minimises the number of occasions on which the dates of the new moons are moved in a centennial year. As the solar correction moves them forward a day and the lunar correction moves them back a day, when these corrections coincide (e.g. in 2100, 2400 and 2700) they stay where they are.

The names of the lunar months are as follows:

1. Harriet (29 days)

2. Ronan (30 days)

3. Miri (29 days - Orthodox Easter (except in the Finnish Orthodox Church) always falls in this month)

4. James (30 days)

5. Eloise (29 days)

6. Thomas (30 days)

vii (29 days)

8. Nicholas (30 days)

9. Catherine (29 days)

10. Richard (30 days - 29 in cycle 19, when the saltus lunae is applied)

11 Emma (29 days)

12 Paul (30 days)

Seven times in 19 years an additional 30 day month (Paul II) occurs between Paul and Harriet. To aid use (in religious houses the lunar date of the following day is announced daily at Lauds after the reading of the Martyrology) months commemorating female saints have 29 days and months commemorating male saints (apart from the saltus lunae) have 30 days. The repetition of the lunar date on the leap day is preserved - thus 28 February 2028 is 3 Ronan bis, 29 February is 3 Ronan and 1 March is 4 Ronan. In houses where the leap day continues to be placed between 23 and 24 February the sequence is modified accordingly. The derivation of the names is as follows:

(1) Harriet is a diminutive of Henrietta. Wife of Charles I, she was the ancestor of several monarchs.

(2) St Ronan was a key figure in the implementation of a common Easter date at the Synod of Whitby in 664.

(3) Miri is a contraction of Mariam, the given name of the Mother of God.

(4), (6), (12) James, Thomas and Paul were apostles.

(5) Héloïse was an abbess who reached a rank equivalent to that of Bishop.

(8), (9) Nicholas and Catherine are well-known saints.

(10) Richard I, known as Coeur de Lyon, was instrumental in recovering the Holy Land from the Saracens.

(11) Emma was the mother of Edward the Confessor.

(13) Paul II was Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople 641-653, and a Pope of that name reigned 1464-1471.

Occidental Easter generally falls between 15 and 21 Miri, on whichever day is Sunday. There are three exceptions:

(1) If 14 Miri falls on 18 April and a golden number is marked against 6 April, Easter falls on 18 April (if Sunday) and otherwise on the Sunday following 18 April. The golden number marks the year's position in the 19-year cycle and is placed in the calendar against the first days of the lunar months.

(2) If 14 Miri falls on 19 April Easter falls on 19 April (if Sunday) and otherwise on the Sunday following 19 April.

(3) If 14 Miri falls on 20 April or later the date against which it stands is to be treated as a day of March and Easter falls on the day after the Saturday following that date.

Example calculation

On what date does occidental Easter fall in 2025?

2025 + 1 = 2026; 2026/19 = 106 remainder 12. The golden number is 12. In the calendar, 12 (marking 1 Miri) stands against 31 March. The dominical letter is E. This is placed against all the Sundays in the year. A leap year has two dominical letters, one for January and February and the other (one place back in the series) for March to December. Easter falls on 20 April because that is an E day and the date, 21 Miri, lies between 15 and 21 Miri (inclusive).

Orthodox Easter does not admit the lunar correction. Therefore, when Gregory moved the new moons back three days Orthodox Easter fell between 18 and 24 Miri. Another correction in 1800 means that until 2099 Orthodox Easter falls between 19 and 25 Miri, and so on. As 20 April is 21 Miri, Orthodox Easter falls on that day.

LUNAR CALENDAR 1 MARCH 1900 - 28 FEBRUARY 2200

	JAN Paul 30	FEB Harr 29	MAR Ron 30	APR Miri 29	MAY Jame 30	JUN Eloi 29	JUL Thom 30	AUG vii 29	SEPT Nich 30	OCT Cath 29	NOV Rich 30	DEC Emma 29
1	A 12	d 1	d 12	g 1	b	e 9	g	c 17	f	A	d 3	f 3
2	b 1	e	e 1	A	c 9	f	A 17	d 6	g 14	b 14	e	g
3	c	f 9	f	b 9	d	g 17	b 6	e	A 3	c 3	f 11	A 11
4	d 9	g	g 9	c	e 17	A 6	c	f 14	b	d	g	b 19
5	e P2	A 17	A	d 17	f 6	b	d 14	g 3	c 11	e 11	A 19	c
6	f 17	b 6	b 17	e 6	g	c 14	e 3	A	d	f	b 8	d 8
7	g 6	c	c 6	f	A 14	d 3	f	b 11	e 19	g 19	c Em	e 16
8	A	d 14	d	g 14	b 3	e	g 11	c	f 8	A 8	d 16	f 5
9	b 14	e 3	e 14	A 3	c	f 11	A	d 19	g Ca	b 16	e 5	g
10	c 3	f	f 3	b	d 11	g	b 19	e 8	A 16	c 5	f	A 13
11	d	g 11	g	c 11	e	A 19	c 8	f 16	b 5	d	g 13	b 2
12	e 11	A	A 11	d	f 19	b 8	d vii	g 5	c	e 13	A 2	c
13	f	b 19	b	e 19	g 8	c 16	e 16	A	d 13	f 2	b	d 10
14	g 19	c 8	c 19	f 8	A El	d 5	f 5	b 13	e 2	g	c 10	e
15	A 8	d 16	d 8	g 16	b 16	e	g	c 2	f	A 10	d	f 18
16	b Ha	e 5	e Mi	A 5	c 5	f 13	A 13	d	g 10	b	e 18	g 7
17	c 16	f	f 16	b	d	g 2	b 2	e 10	A	c 18	f 7	A
18	d 5	g 13	g 5	c 13	e 13	A	c	f	b 18	d 7	g	b 15
19	e	A 2	A	d 2	f 2	b 10	d 10	g 18	c 7	e	A 15	c 4
20	f 13	b	b 13	e	g	c	e	A 7	d	f 15	b 4	d
21	g 2	c 10	c 2	f 10	A 10	d 18	f 18	b	e 15	g 4	c	e 12
22	A	d	d	g	b	e 7	g 7	c 15	f 4	A	d 12	f 1
23	b 10	e 18	e 10	A 18	c 18	f	A	d 4	g	b 12	e 1	g
24	c	f 7	f	b 7	d 7	g 15	b 15	e	A 12	c 1	f	A 9
25	d 18	g	g 18	c	e	A 4	c 4	f 12	b 1	d	g 9	b
26	e 7	A 15	A 7	d 15	f 15	b	d	g 1	c	e 9	A	c 17
27	f	b 4	b	e 4	g 4	c 12	e 12	A	d 9	f	b 17	d 6
28	g 15	c	c 15	f	A	d 1	f 1	b 9	e	g 17	c 6	e
29	A 4		d 4	g 12	b 12	e	g	c	f 17	A 6	d	f 14
30	b		e	A 1	c 1	f 9	A 9	d 17	g 6	b	e 14	g 3
31	c 12		f 12		d		b	e 6		c 14		A
	Harr	Ron	Miri	Jame	Eloi	Thom	vii	Nich	Cath	Rich	Emma	Paul

Secular use

The calendar may be used to locate the approximate position of the moon at any time. There are innumerable applications.

Tidal predictions

The "establishment" of a port is approximately the time between the moon's meridian passage (above and below the horizon) and high water. Tidal range is greatest in the middle and at the end of the lunar month ("spring tides") and at the equinoxes. For accurate predictions use official tables. An example calculation follows.

Nocturnal illumination

It is 9 PM Greenwich Mean Time in London on 15 February 2024. The golden number is 11, which is printed against 11 February. This is the lunar new year (1 Harriet) and 15 February is therefore 5 Harriet. At the end of the previous month (as at the end of every lunar month) the sun and moon are together in the sky, but the lunar day is on average 4/5 hour longer than the solar day. Thus at 9 PM it is only 5 PM by the moon. Whether the moon is visible at that time may be determined using the fact that the moon moves through the zodiac at the rate of 13.2° per day (compared to 1° per day for the sun). On 15 February (5 Harriet) the moon will have advanced (5 x (13.2 - 1)) = 5 x 12.2 = about 61° ahead of the sun. So it will be where the sun will be about 61 days later, i.e. around 16 April.

But there is another factor. The moon's ascending node (where the plane of its orbit crosses the ecliptic in a northerly direction) moves backwards, completing a circuit relative to the equinox in 18.6 years. When the longitude is 0° (which it will reach around 29 January 2025) it reaches a maximum of 5° further from the celestial equator than does the sun (the major standstill). Half a revolution later (the minor standstill) it reaches a maximum of 5° nearer to the celestial equator than does the sun.

So considering the moon's position at 9 PM on 15 February 2024 we look where the sun would be at 5 PM on 16 April and (since the date is fairly close to the major standstill) a little higher in the sky. The moon was thus looked for (and was seen) high in the west.

Eclipse prediction

The calendar may be used to predict eclipses. As the node revolves through 360° in 18.6 years, each month it will retrograde about ((360/18.6)/12)° = 1.61°. As the ascending node reaches 0° around 29 January 2025, in September 2024 its longitude is around 6° and the descending node (directly opposite) is around 186°. The sun reaches ecliptic longitude 186° around 30 September. There will be a lunar eclipse if the full moon (usually on the 14th of the lunar month) occurs within 13 days either side of the sun passing through either node. For solar eclipses (at the end of the lunar month) the "eclipse season" is 19 days either side of the sun's passage through a node. The nearer to the node the sun is the greater the eclipse will be. In 2024, 14 Nicholas corresponds to 18 September. As this is just within the eclipse season there will be a small partial eclipse. This reaches a maximum at 02:44 GMT when 8.5% of the disc is obscured. On 28 Nicholas, when the sun is very close to the node, the annular solar eclipse of October 2, 2024 occurs. If the solar eclipse occurs within 11 days either side of the sun passing through the node (as here) it will be central (total or annular). As the "eclipse season" is longer than a lunar month there will always be at least one eclipse every time the sun passes through a node, which it does on average every 173.2979 days

Administrative uses

As virtually all religions use lunar calendars, the calendar aids in planning rest days in for example conferences attended by members of different faiths. The Jewish Passover almost always occurs during Miri, and the High Holy Days almost always occur during Catherine.

References